Following the defeat of Nazi Germany, World War II Allies including the U.S.,
Britain, and Soviet Union, hold the Potsdam Conference in Germany to plan the
post-war world. Vietnam is considered a minor item on the agenda.
In order to disarm the Japanese in Vietnam, the Allies divide the country in
half at the 16th parallel. Chinese Nationalists will move in and disarm the
Japanese north of the parallel while the British will move in and do the same in
During the conference, representatives from France request the return of all
French pre-war colonies in Southeast Asia (Indochina). Their request is granted.
Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia will once again become French colonies following the
removal of the Japanese.
Viets woop Japs LOL
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September 13, 1945 - British forces arrive in Saigon, South Vietnam.
In North Vietnam, 150,000 Chinese Nationalist soldiers, consisting mainly of poor peasants, arrive in Hanoi after looting Vietnamese villages during their entire march down from China. They then proceed to loot Hanoi.
September 22, 1945 - In South Vietnam, 1400 French soldiers released by the British from former Japanese internment camps enter Saigon and go on a deadly rampage, attacking Viet Minh and killing innocent civilians including children, aided by French civilians who joined the rampage. An estimated 20,000 French civilians live in Saigon.
February 1946 - The Chinese under Chiang Kai-shek agree to withdraw from North Vietnam and allow the French to return in exchange for French concessions in Shanghai and other Chinese ports.
March 1946 - Ho Chi Minh agrees to permit French troops to return to Hanoi temporarily in exchange for French recognition
Franklin D. Roosevelt, through General Stilwell, privately made it clear that they preferred that the French not reacquire French Indochina (modern day Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos) after the war was over. Roosevelt offered Chiang Kai-shek control of all of Indochina. It was said that Chiang Kai-shek replied: "Under no circumstances!".
LOL Chinese didn't even want this ungrateful backwater
2nd Sino-Jap War
continue civil war
include century of humiliation
even after all this fighting kind brother nation still want to help Cuba of the East, how did Viets beat French, with their sticks and stones and arms given by OSS as charity LOL, why Viets with insignificant domestic weapons capacity to even compare to pre war German industralisation so where this master race come from, i wonder where did all their weapons come from?
[ Edited by CQCSnake on 7/4/2013 7:26:31 AM ]
Chiang Kai-shek made a wise chose of not chosen to control of all of Indochina. There was no way he could've manage it, even he knew that. At that time he was also trying to counter the communist forces led by Mao.
Chaing was trained by German advisory and a fan of Clausewitz, he was a very conventional war tactician. On the other hand, Mao was a guerrilla fighter. Even thought Mao was outnumbered by the Chinese Nationalist from 30-1 he still won and chased Chiang to an Island now present day Taiwan. Mao's guerrilla fighters live among the population and they would sabotage and fight by night, and only engage in battle that they would win. They also recuited a lot of peasant toward thier cause. They have no line of defense, no supply line, they were fluid and mobile. Outnumbered and outguned, yet they still emerge victoriously.
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LOL Dien Bien Phu
Vietnamese were fighting the French, the Vietnamese lacked experience in large scale combat and General Wei Guoqing from China had played a key role in guiding the fighting at Dien Bien Phu, the Vietnamese had wanted to retreat, but Wei Guoqing refused. Air defenses in the northern part of Vietnam too, were manned by Chinese fighters
In October 1953, Wei reportedly personally gave Ho Chi Minh a copy of the French Navarre plan. In response, the Viet Minh pushed on to Lai Chau and toward northern Laos, rather than the Red River Delta. Some months later, in 1954, Wei is said to have advised General Vo Nguyen Giap to surround and attack General Navarre at Dien Bien Phu, a strategy that eventually led to complete French withdrawal from Indochina.
But with the existence of a Red Chinese sanctuary for the Viet Minh forces, that became militarily impossible. By October 1950, 23 regular Viet Minh battalions, equipped with excellent American artillery coming from Chinese Nationalist stocks left on the mainland, smashed the French defense lines along the Chinese border and inflicted on France its biggest colonial defeat since Montcalm died before Quebec in 1759
Insufficient logistics: The French needed at least 200 tons of supplies a day, Normally only half that amount could be provided. Additionally, after the first 24 hours of battle, artillery fire closed the airfield to landings, so all supplies had to come in via parachute. The Viets, on the other hand, had the advantage of 1,000 Soviet and captured American 2 ½ ton trucks on a robust 450 kilometer supply line from China that effectively provided all the logistics needed for 5+ divisions.
Navarre wrote that "Under the influence of Chinese advisers, the Viet Minh commanders had used processes quite different from the classic methods. The artillery had been dug in by single pieces ... They were installed in shell-proof dugouts, and fire point-blank from portholes ... This way of using artillery and AA guns was possible only with the expansive ant holes at the disposal of the Vietminh and was to make shambles of all the estimates of our own artillerymen.
In addition to the training and planning guidance by the CMAG the logistical support from China began to increase steadily. The support provided was only 10-20 tons a month in 1951, increasing to 250 tons a month in 1952, further increasing to 600 tons a month in 1953 and 1,500 to 4,000 tons monthly during the last year of the war in 1954.  Additionally the Chinese transportation network to include roads and railways leading from China to Vietnam was improved also with some 1,000 trucks provided to the PAVN. This military aid provided by China enabled the PAVN to expand into a well armed and trained conventional force capable of defeating the French Army in large scale offensive operations. From a force in 1950 of 3 divisions the PAVN would expand two years later into a force of 7 divisions. All in all the Chinese military aid would arm a total of over 7 PAVN divisions. All this military support would not go unnoticed by the west, with the CIA, by March 1952, estimating that some 15,000 Chinese Communists were serving in Vietnam in various “technical, advisory and garrison capacities” with the PAVN against the French.  The Vietnamese Army now was a lethal force well equipped with small arms, machine guns, heavy 120mm mortars and 105mm howitzers, in addition to 20 and 40mm anti-aircraft guns. 
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LOL the Soviets would have done sh1t, it was up to the Chinese in both Korea and a little less so in Vietnam, it's all well and good to play hypothetical but the facts are that the Chinese were more commited, LOL dumbass Soviets not vetoing action in Korea, not committing men in Korea all they did is provide air cover in the north, LOL in 1979 they gave your VCP assurance that troops stationed on border would move in on the Chinese if Deng invaded you and what happened......nothing, the only thing Soviets can be counted on for is supplies and some advisors when they split with China apart from this these mofos do nothing
LOL of course they did it out of self interest in the 2nd war, LOL you think Viets invaded Cambodia to save the country from Pol Pot
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