RAGING_DEMON wrote:
All you're doing is making "assumptions" and pointing out "possibilities".
"ASSUMPTIONS" and "POSSIBILITIES" does
NOT prove SH!T. RETARD!!!
However, I'll repeat what I've previously stated (cause I know it takes trillions of repetitions for a retard like you to finally understand something):
You simply made
claims about god's description being space-less, time-less, transcendent, etc.
...WITHOUT PROOF!
ANYONE can make the same claims as you did ...and again, making claims about a being having space-less, time-less, transcendent attributes
DOES NOT PROVE SH!T!!!But
talk is cheap. So let's get to the bottom of this
RIGHT NOW...
The Cosmological Argument for God's existence is more of an evidential apologetic (reasons and arguments are given in the premises) rather than straight presupposition. It's one facet of an argument supported by both scientific and philosophical evidence. But everything then is going to boil down to at least what each of us believes in.
Also, you're misrepresenting the argument. The Cosmological Argument is a logical deduction, God is not assume in any of the premises. If the premises are sound, then it logically follows that God exist is a valid argument, whether you like it or not.
If the argument cannot be made about God and the supernatural since it's just 'assumptions' then your entire argument against God and the supernatural is self-refuting.
Even the atheist like you cant get away from doing the same thing.
The logic in the argument is self-authenticating. In the end it's either God or it isn't. It's a dichotomy in fact.
(1) For any true proposition p, if p, then there is a proposition q such that q explain p.
(2) If there are logical laws (L1....Ln), then they are necessarily true propositions.
(3) If logical laws (L1...Ln) are necessarily true propositions, then L1....Ln have explanations.
(5) Therefore, God explains the logical laws. The impossibility of the contrary.
Wanna debate logic since you keep saying 'assumptions', do you even know what logic is and how to account for it's validity in the atheistic worldview? You cannot. The Christian worldview can. :)
quote:Have your god come down to earth and prove to us that his attributes/abilities are real... have him create a mini-universe right in front of our very eyes. And yes, I'm talking about the best form of proof here... DEMONSTRATION!!! (Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary proof.) It's now time to put up or shut up!!!
He did... about 6,000 years ago. How do you expect the world got here?
The bible say there was a global flood about 4500 BC, may have occurred long before the biblical account was written, but have you ever wonder why various cultures of that time recorded their own flood in their history too? What's the rationale behind this?
Did you know that before Buddhism and Lao Tzu and all these prominent religions in China all the emperors believe in One God? Study the temple in Beijing why do they built it there? I think there is some level of truth in all religions.. based on the fact that God spoke on some level to everyone.